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One piece all metal Oboe

I come to you hoping you can help me find the value to restore my grandfathers oboe. The story goes like this: My grandfather was an oboists and also drum major for the US Army based on the Aleutian islands during world war2. During his travels he visited Europe and bought this Oboe, circa 1946-47. It has been passed down to me recently and I want to maintain it wether it has value or not but that does determine to what degree I restore it. I am a saxophone player and would love to play this bit of course all the pads and springs are original. I’m including pictures of your company beautiful piece with the inscription “Ms. Evette Lue?”, #288 and a picture of my grandfather, Vernon F. Hollstrom, for prosperity. Thank you for your time as I am sure you are very busy!

Sincerely,
Brian Hollstrom
 

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This was the message I sent to Buffet-Crampon; they are researching it but it was a stumper. I recently found out in was not purchase in his travels but as a gift in high school making it circa 1937.
 
You'll have to try and find a copy of the 1907 Evette and Schaeffer catalog.
I've looked for it to no avail.

I'm no oboe expert but it kinda looks like a Boehm'd keyed version.


on another "vintage" note, here's a Buffet Evette Schaeffer Tenor Sarrusophone on this page
 
It kinda looks like a hi-brid oboe/sop sax.....to me....if the was such a thing.
I played oboe for a time [made my own reeds, etc] and was quite into it thus I have a bit of knowledge.
I do not see a C# key for the right pinky (found on oboes) but I do see the right index finger Bb/C keys (found on saxophones)
It kind of looks hi-brid to me.

When I was a kid I remember my clar/sax teacher telling me that the US Army made all-metal woodwind instruments to play outdoors in sub-freezing temps......

This has peaked my curiosity....
 
I forgot to add to this thread.
If one looks at the Bell markings this helps to identify it's age.
If you look at this on a saxophone bell .. http://saxpics.com/?v=mod&modID=31
you'll see the similarities.
And you'll be able to determine it's approximate age
Thus the reason I mentioned to check a 1907 catalog or up to 1918 era.
 

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Recently an instrument repair tech said he swore it was an alto straussaphone as seen in the 1920-30s Shriner bands… ring any reeds?
 
His brother said it was a double reed he played on it and that was why he thought it was an oboe but he was a bit a music servant and could have probably used a trumpet mouth piece and still made it work
 
whilst I was reading about when Adolphe Sax set up shop in Paris and coincidentally created an organized revolt against his attempts to improve and standardize band instruments, the document was really about Oboes.

In that document, from the Galper Society, it also briefly reviews Sarrusophones vs Boehm Oboes vs Soprano Saxophones, which I've pulled together in the attached PDF. Perfect for those days of using "useless trivia."


ahh .. the world of saxotrombas ....
 

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It kinda looks like a hi-brid oboe/sop sax
Which is the definition of a Sarrusophone :D.

I think you're right.

I’m including pictures of your company beautiful piece with the inscription “Ms. Evette Lue?”, #288 and a picture of my grandfather, Vernon F. Hollstrom, for prosperity. Thank you for your time as I am sure you are very busy!
No, not Ms, as in Ms magazine. "Ms" as in the plural of "Mister," but in French, so "Messieurs." I can't see all the engraving to tell you if it really is "Lue." "18 & 20 Passage du Grand Cerf" is/was Buffet's address.
 
Value? No idea. They don't come up for sale very often. I noticed there are a couple auctioneers that have sold them in the past year. Register at them and check 'em out!
 
whilst I was reading about when Adolphe Sax set up shop in Paris and coincidentally created an organized revolt against his attempts to improve and standardize band instruments, the document was really about Oboes.

In that document, from the Galper Society, it also briefly reviews Sarrusophones vs Boehm Oboes vs Soprano Saxophones, which I've pulled together in the attached PDF. Perfect for those days of using "useless trivia."


ahh .. the world of saxotrombas ....
Wonderful thank you
 
If you are planning on selling it consider donating it to a Museum. You can get a tax writeoff if your deductions are beyond your standard deductions.

I have a couple instruments of "rarity" which will sooner or later end up at a University Museum such as the Michigan State University or, my preferable location, University of Michigan.

Like Pete said, you have to "auction" these at places where the very specific people who want them would actually bid for them.
eBay is probably not the place, though can be used.
 
I'm a bit late to this obviously, but this looks to me like a Sax-Oboe. Loree made several of these in the first part of the 20th century as a way to offer an easier solution for woodwind doublers. They would be able to play an oboe-sounding instrument without having to learn the fingerings. The fingerings themselves are derived from the Boehm system; it is essentially a saxophone fingering superimposed onto an oboe. Metal oboes were primarily made for use in military bands. I've only seen wooden versions and only seen them made by Loree, so this is an interesting example for sure.
 
When I was a part of the 264th Army Band, Honolulu back in the early 1970's (they were deactivated Oct. 1974), we had a few older John Philip Souza march scores in our music library that had sarrusophone parts. Some of these parts were handed down from Army Bands that were no longer in service, I vaguely remember their copyrights before WW2 started. So @Bchealth indeed has a rare bit of history in his hands.

The following brief historical explanation is given by Yandex A.I.:
The sarrusophone was invented in 1856 by Pierre-Louis Gautrot, who named it after the French bandmaster Pierre-Auguste Sarrus, who came up with the idea for the instrument. The sarrusophone was made to compete with the saxophone and to replace the oboes and bassoons in military bands. It was available in all sizes from Eb sopranino to BBb contrabass, including contrabasses in Eb, C, and Bb. 135
The sarrusophone enjoyed a burst of popularity in the early 1900s when a number of big-name composers, including Maurice Ravel, Frederick Delius, and Igor Stravinsky, wrote parts for it in a number of their compositions. However, nowadays, the unfamiliarity and unpopularity of sarrusophones means that these parts are more often than not taken by the contrabasson. 2
The production of the sarrusophone ceased in the 1930s. 1


Looks like the saxophones won out over the sarrusophones. I was transferred to the 25th Infantry Division Band, Wahiawa, Hawaii shortly after the 264th's deactivation. Being the ranking woodwind player as an E-5 (Specialist-5), I was made the woodwind section leader. We had a rag-tag group, a flutist, about 5 clarinet players including me, alto and tenor saxists, about 8 trumpet players, 5 trombonists, a baritone or two, 2 souzaphonists, couple french horns and a healthy number of percussionists.

We were brass heavy. I convinced all our clarinet players to play sax instead. Now, we had a decent saxophone choir. In marches, the saxes often carry the countermelodies. The flutes and clarinets do the fancy higher octave stuff for color, but are less essential. The brass carries the melody.

Now we had 2 - 1st altos, 2 - 2nd altos, 3 tenors, and 1 bari. The flute player agreed to play piccolo. To boost morale and increase our volume to "balance" the trumpets and trombones, I convinced our first sergeant (who was promoted shortly after to sergeant major - the top non-commissioned officer, top dog) to ask higher leadership above us to fund and provide us sax players with Berg-Larson jazz metal mouthpieces.

He was able to do that. Normally mouthpieces (we had our share of Brilharts and a few others) are considered expendable items due to plastic and hard rubber wear and tear, but these B-L's were hand receipted to each player for turn in upon leaving the unit, due to their high cost.

It worked. Our saxists were happy to receive the B-L mouthpieces. Our sergeant major (who was filling in for our retiring chief warrant-officer) was deeply pleased with our new sound as well as the higher leadership. It was immediately noticed outdoors in the field and parades.

Back to why the sarrosophone was obsoleted as a military instrument? I imagine it was probably because they did not have the volume output whereas the saxophone did. Double reed players are harder to come by. A clarinetist can easily transition to saxophone.

Perhaps someone with more intimate information on the sarrusophone can fill in.
 
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